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I almost bought a Kawi 450 sport quad but it cost more than the Renegade 800r... so I went with the 800... could of been that I got the renegade at a crazy low price... COST.
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Hell, my Rene 500 has beat one of those on a dirt dragstrip. It was close, but I still won.

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Some folks are under the impression the new brutes are very very quick, however there not much quicker than a previous generation brute, there are only a few lengths between those two, Vforcejohn has dyno'd that muzzy set up and its making pretty nice hp gains from stock aswell......Can't wait for the boys at get torqued to get everything figured out.....
I can't wait for the Muzzy dual exhaust Vforcejohn helped develop. John said he should have them this week. My Christmas present and they make 8 rwhp with a gen 3 dobeck controller. John is also working with Muzzy duels for the Renegade 1000 soon to follow.
I'm hoping with the 8 hp gain on the pipe I can begin to compete with my 840 Brute.
If you guys missed it my 1000 against my 840 brute. This brute makes 74 rwhp on a dyno and has everything done to the engine including head ported big carbs, custom clutch, I would guess 3500-4000 in labor and engine work if I added it all up.


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Yeah i am looking forward to info on vforce johns stuff, I wonder what he is going to come up with in the clutch department.....Those 840 brutes are a whole new animal!!

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mrrpm is working on a set of drop in cams for the 1000, so with the exhaust, 300 or so for cams and a good tune the 1000 should be quite a beast.

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The big issue with the 2012 brute is the gearing and clutching. stock they only shiftout at 6700 rpm. add the dual pipe and FI controller (crappy dobek and no timing adjustment) it still brings peak power up to 7400 rpm. If you don't adjust shiftout the extra power the pipe gives you won't take effect until you are already moving and then it's too late


Trust me. I have the 1000 renegade xxc and I work on a ton of Brute's. The first 2012 I setup with the pipe, my clutch and the digituner was 2 bike lengths off me at 77 mph and it passed me. (now had the renegade 1000 had the speed limiter removed it wouldn't have caught me).

On road going up steeper hill the 1000 torque shined and it wasn't even close it just kept pulling. downhill it was basically even and the brute had better top end as it's clutched to go 93 mph top end so it has the gearing and top end power vs the 2 are very similar at 75 mph

That renegade is the 1000 base model. I wonder how much faster it is than my XXC model. it appears to beat that brute fairly well in those vids. Better than mine does stock vs stock or piped.

with Kawasaki it's not uncommon to find a freak HP maker. some I pipe and tune will go 80 mph. some will struggle to go 70. I deal with this all the time.

for the Brute I don't know if he bought the FI controller from me? If not it's also just in basic mode as you get it from Muzzys it isn't going to do anything. it has to have 5 modes not just the 3

I'm glad I bought the can am 1000 over the 2012 kawasaki 750. They havent made any crazy changes to them other than small motor and chassis stuff and I've had probably 5-6 brute 750's I've bought fixed and sold. I had one red stock 2007 model and it was just a beast for stock. it'd run 78-79 mph with 26's on it pipe, clutch, dynotuned and CDI.

I have my 715 kit in the KFX700. the 1000 isn't going to even touch it. but it's far from stock and runs a 13.0@96 in the 1/4 mile. I also have a 240 rwhp turbo kfx1000, they are easy to get the power out of. 0-108 mph in 6 seconds in the 8th.

Come my 2012 Spring ride and dragrace I'll have to show up the 70-80 kawasaki's I usually get every year with my 100 rwhp can am. I just have to figure out where to hide the NOS bottles!

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Yeah i am looking forward to info on vforce johns stuff, I wonder what he is going to come up with in the clutch department.....Those 840 brutes are a whole new animal!!

I'll have to say the 1000 clutch is a damn nice unit. there's no room for modifications and it already will run into the 100 mph mark with just a speed limiter remover and running about 9000 rpm. so there's plenty of gearing and clutching from the stock stuff.

I have some clutch stuff I have done to mine just springs and I got a good seat of the pants gain, but not seeing anything really worthwhile in the clutcing dept as of yet I'm waiting on more weights to come in and may make my own kits If I see good enough repeatable gains from it. there are small gains (other than feeling peppier) from higher shiftout and lower shiftout does nothing. 7250 is where I see peak power happening on the clutching and stock it shiftsout at 7100.

the 840's are an issue simply because they hit sooner to peak HP and hold power longer. the can am's power curve looks like a rainbow easy up, then peak, then fall back down just as fast.

the big thing about modding the 1000 is they are so fast the way it is. small gains won't equate to all that much seat of the pants feel or happy customers. figure making 2 rwhp at 60 rwhp is small beans compared to making 2 rwhp on a 40 rwhp machine. We all want to see and feel big gains, i'ts just our nature.

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