I have to disagree it's a disappointment.


I just bought a 2024 and was glad to see I didn't make a mistake by now waiting! 😅

I Have mine being tinted and the locks can be added so I'm glad I took the deal on a 2024 and didn't wait.


Tim

 

Yea Tim, I agree, you definitely did good, I been waiting to see if they changed.

I guess now, ima strip mine down and have in painted.

I've looked for the locking handles, and can't seem to find them anywhere.

 

Less expensive but not as clean locks.

Tim

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More expensive but very clean locks.

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Yea I looked at his, and really just don't like the look being drilled into the door.

 

I'm wondering if we can buy the new locking handles and add them.

Tim

 

That's my hopes.

 

I'll talk to my dealer when I pick mine up and see how much one is and see if I can test fit it.

I suspect parts will be a little bit behind being able to order after a new machine is released.

Tim

 

I forsee either the x3 or mav R motor going into the defenders eventually.

I don't see them going to the new 999R v twin as the engine is part of the trans.

The old rotax twins are almost gone and e drives also. So they are slowly updatung everything. Same with the mav sport. The only 3 machines left with an e drive and the old style v twin are the rene, the defender and mav sport.

 

I really hope the locks will fit our older machines!

 

But the tint is put right in the glass, ground breaking Now if they could just get it to adjust 200 times per second...

 

$37K for the Defender Limited! Crazy! 😲

No freakin way I'd pay that. Guess I'll be holding on to my 2017 Defender until the wheels fall off! lol

 

I'm looking at the limited like a second vehicle.

Tough to get many new vehicles for 37k and insurance is cheap.

Maintenance is not bad either.

In Arizona it is street legal and has HVAC, so its a daily driver for errands near the house.

I can even use it for some work tasks.

Tim

 

I think only the ATV guys are happy with the 2025 changes. And the people who run SxS limo companies.

 

Not seeing anywhere near $37k worth of machine, not even close. But as long as people keep paying it they will keep charging it. You can buy a Crv for that kind of money, sit them side by side and tell me the SxS is worth as much. They have mastered the art of how much a month, bet 90% of people who buy one will never actually "own" it.

 

They have mastered the art of how much a month, bet 90% of people who buy one will never actually "own" it.

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that you don't own things you haven't fully paid for. Things you actually own can't be repossessed.

 

Prices are what the are.

The new Polaris Expedition NorthStar mumbo jumbo special is basically 50k.

Trying to compare them to automobile is clearly apples and oranges. Cars sell 20 plus times more and can build them cheaper obviously.

The Defender is selling well still, my dealer said he was lowering his order of the X3 and raising the number of Defenders.

An outlander can be 16k to almost 19k, to me that's crazy.

I would never pay that.

Its all perspective.

Tim

 

Yeah we barely sell outlanders at the dealership I work at. I was very very disappointed in the new single cylinders. We sold the crap out of the 570 but since they got rid of it no one wants to pay for the 800 or 1000 and no one cares about the single cylinders. All aggression and sportiness is gone😂 it’s like a fancy Honda rancher now

 

Covid made manufactures brave about prices. They are slowly pricing a lot people out of the new market. I myself have a 10k limit for quads and a 20k limit for SxS's, if that puts me in the used market then so be it. Could I afford to buy a new one, yes, but I didn't get to where I'm at by buying things just because the prices are what they are. If I feel the value is not there, I'm not a buyer.

 

Vote with your wallet!!

 

As long as they sell high priced machines they'll build them.

High priced is a relative term.

Tim

 

Yup. Most people would rather pay high prices and complain, than do without.

 

We have a 22.5, we'd love to have the door locks and tint, also I heard somewhere that the door seals are new and better BUT then you still have to add fender flares, blinkers, side mirrors so we'll probable keep the 22.5 for now.

 

That's not a repossession, though.

 

That's semantics, seems the same to me.

Tim

 

No, a repossession is when the rightful owner, the lender, takes something back. Be it a house or an ATV.

Taxation is an entirely different thing.

 

Sorry but the Bank is NOT the rightful owner.

They have what's called lien rights. They do NOT own it.

When you don't pay your taxes you get a tax lien...

See the similarity...?

Tim

 

We don't need a lot of admin talk so lets make this simple, you don't own something until you possess the title. Something a lot of people never do. I've always told my kids that and they know the difference between buying something and owning it. If you are making payments on something you are buying it, you can kid yourself you own it, but until it's paid for you don't own anything.

 

I don't get your point.

Are you attaching some stigma to debt?

Do you apply that stigma to real property?

What's the real difference between your definition of owning something and not owning something.

Like 10mm pointed out property taxes on real property, as I understand your definition mean you really don't OWN it if they can take it away from you if you fail to pay the taxes.


Are you teaching us some life lesson about the cost of the new ATV and UTV?

I honestly do not see your point.


Tim

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Another ATV guy here but I will eventually own a relatively basic Defender down the line.

I don't really think the prices are that out of line if you look at what highest priced ATVs sold for in the heyday of the 1980s. Honda TRX250R, Quadzilla, Banshees sold for about $4k back then. But while these were top of the line hot rods, they still don't compare to today's Side by Sides in terms of amenities and goodies, and the list is long. The dollar just doesn't go as far as it did in the past, inflation. Do I want to spend more than $25k when I decide it's time to get a Defender for around our property? Nope. I just don't need a top of the line four door model. I'll shop within my needs and budget. This is where I appreciate that the manufacturers have so many offerings and trim levels for these machines. Which is also something that didn't exist back in the day, options. Even with the ATVs (at least with Can Am and Polaris) there is a plethora of options and packages to choose from for the same model. Factory 2-up capability, different engine sizes, different build specialties (XMR, XXC and the like), all these choices. There's something for everyone

 

Prices are high.

The UTV for me is something I could live without. However, once I had one, it became a necessity. I hate it when that happens.

 

I just bought another '24 limited 2 door after seeing the latest rebate and pricing thats available. I sold my other '24 back in March and I paid almost 4k less for this one so I'm happy again until they finally come out with a new dash and a 130 hp turbo.