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Sorry about the long ramblings. Didn’t realize it was going to get this long.


My main riding is trail and almost always into the mountains. But when there is a mud hole I am drawn towards it. Lol. I don’t know why but the machine just wants to go there!!! Although there are days where we see NO mud at all. I also do a lot of technical riding on rock and some VERY steep hills both up and down. LOVE my engine brake!!!!!! I feel the engine brake is the biggest PLUS on my machine also the best safety feature. I’m always spouting off about it to my fellow non Canam riders.

I don’t care for high speed—although my friends all want to race against the 1000. There are some roads we will “blast” down but I am usually the last one in the group, as I don’t like the high speed. They will go 50 or 60+ mph and I prefer to stay at 40 or less although I will go faster on real good roads.

I’ve only put about 70 miles on this bike since I have had it as it was parked for the winter and bought it late last fall. Trail riding and of course some mud. Still getting used to the throttle response compared to my 400 Outlander I used to ride. This bike is quick and snakey/slippery on everything (snow, mud, gravel roads) I haven’t ridden this bike with the stock tires as the 28” Mega Mayhems were put on before it left the dealership. I’m just now getting a set of rims to put the stock tires onto so I can ride it with them for comparison (and my rock climbing days).

I assume the Mayhem heavy tires are robbing some of my bottom end power. I thought with the 1000 a wheelie would still be fairly easy. Not with the Mayhems. Maybe with the stock tires? I’m aware with the Max that the longer wheelbase would make it a little harder but I figured it would still be possible especially as the Mayhems would give me more/better traction. Don’t get me wrong I don’t want to be doing wheelies all day long but thought it would be at least possible. Am I correct in assuming the 28” tires are robbing bottom end power? Or do I need a clutch mod?

I THINK I NEED A CLUTCH MOD OF SOME SORT

Been reading for hours between the Dalton DBO 1000R and the VFJ Primary Clutch Replacement. Both sites say I won’t need the secondary clutch springs etc.

Both of these scenarios report very positive results. Although the VFJ will give more performance benefits it is also 2.5+ times the cost. Price could be offset some if I sell the stock primary clutch.

The VFJ reports that the engine braking below 2 mph in low range kicks into neutral and you have to ‘blip’ the throttle to get it to kick in again. This scares the hell out of me!!!!!! as there is a hill that if I did that I would be in a VERY serious situation. This specific hill is the WORST hill we go up and down and we use 4x4 LOW range with brakes to crawl down and weave around and over helmet sized boulders. I don’t need the tranny to go into neutral at any time. This is my biggest drawback on this unit and probably the only thing (besides $) holding me back from buying it. Now I only go down this worst hill every couple of years. But there are other situations where I LOVE the engine braking and use it the same way… just not as long and dangerous as “pucker hill”. Could easily get into trouble elsewhere too.

The Dalton DBO 1000R has some very good reports and reviews. People are real happy with it and are pleased with the performance. Although I have seen a few that say they have this but are saving up for a primary clutch replacement in the future. I think these are the serious mudders that will also do the secondary replacement in most cases.
 
I think because of the low speed neutral problem I am leaning towards the Dalton kit but not sure if it will do all I hope it will. One question I can’t seem to find the answer to is how is this kit for very low speed/technical riding? Does it allow for very slow rock climbing?

I know there are a lot of people on this site with lots of great knowledge about this topic as THIS is where I did most of my reading. Any inspiration, thoughts, guidance or input here would be appreciated.

Thanks for letting me voice my thoughts here. phew.... glad that's over...my fingers are sore. Quad details are in my signature

shmoky
 

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VFJ also sells a clutch kit..I had one on my Rene 1000 I really liked it for 200 bucks. The extra wheelbase on the Max makes it more of a challenge to wheelie compared to the single seater
 

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Everything I have ever read says get the new primary. It will really awaken the 1000. I'm like you, I'm not a pin it and grin it kind of guy, but I do like to feel the power especially in short bursts...With practice I think you would be able to control it even with the new primary....My advice would be to call VFJ and tell him your concerns. He will steer you the right way...Good luck with your choice.
 

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Shmoky, you don't really have to blip the throttle to keep the engine braking. I use a light touch on the throttle to keep it engaged. I don't even have the engine braking helix in the stm secondary! I want to get a helmet cam video of the engine braking with the vfj and a non eb helix stm secondary on a very steep hill next Sunday if we get out to ride.
 

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That would be GREAT Dr.Z Please post it here or a link to the video so I don't miss it.
 

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DR.Z did you get out on sunday?
 

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Sorry, I took my dad to dinner since he didn't want to go ride on his birthday and I had other things that came up. Hopefully next weekend I can get a vid.
 

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I can see the lower starting gear ratio and smother engagement of the vfj or qsc primary being very useful in your situation. Not to mention the extra seat of the pants feel you'll gain on top of that. Plus, you will be able to completely dial in a new primary for the larger tires. Something people (like myself) struggle with by using a simple kit. I can't speak on the engine breaking unfortunately.
 

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Everything I have ever read says get the new primary. It will really awaken the 1000. I'm like you, I'm not a pin it and grin it kind of guy, but I do like to feel the power especially in short bursts...With practice I think you would be able to control it even with the new primary....My advice would be to call VFJ and tell him your concerns. He will steer you the right way...Good luck with your choice.
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I just purchased a CV Tech primary/STM secondary for my 1000. Ready to get em on.

Who did you buy it from? Just curious. I'm sure you'll be nothing short of satisfied once you get them dialed in just right.
 

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Bought em from Jace Cheramie racing in Houma LA

Good guy right there. I was actually just talking with him and a bunch of the other racers at Tower Trax Saturday at the 2nd stop for the CMR races.
 
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