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I know other people have posted about this but I just can't believe this is normal on a brand new machine. 21 outlander 1000 has 16 hours on the engine and 185 miles. Battery cranks over fine, it fires up and dies within about 2 seconds. Then will turn over and be extremely difficult to fire up again. When it does fire up and idle I notice the efi doesn't adjust the idle higher for the engine being cold. It sits in an insulated garage and it doesn't get that cold here. There's no way it should be this hard to start a brand new machine? My polaris would start easier when it's -20 than this does at around zero.
 

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Yeah definitely not sounding right, any warranty left on it?
Yeah hasn't even gone in for first service. I'll definitely be having them look into that. Just wondered if it was common with anyone else with a newer machine. I know it's a bit different with the throttle but wire instead of a throttle cable. But whether it's warm or cold it idles at 1200rpm and that seems off to me.
 

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Well afaik, these machines don't have that cold idle-up ability, like a diesel, for instance. But your IAC valve might be lazy/sticking. That could explain it dying right after starting
You're correct when I was checking into getting it in for my first service I asked them a couple questions. Apparently they don't idle up higher when cold which I thought was bizarre but that's how it is I guess. He said they had a few issues with the 570 and 400 but not usually with the bigger machines. He also said most people said it went away after the engine is completely broken in. So I'll just keep an eye on it, and address it if it's still an issue when they do the first service. I'm only sitting at about 20 hours and 250 miles.
 

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Mine did this too especially when it was new. I noticed that if I put the key on then push and hold the start button right away it runs for 2 seconds then dies. If I put the key on then just push and release the start button, wait a few seconds for the fuel pressure to build up and the ECU to take b its readings then push and hold the start button it starts and idles much better.

It has gotten much better over time. Im at 28 hours and the first 15 were very mild hours. I also started connecting the BRP battery maintainer so many this is helping too.
Ok good to know, I always push start button then let the electronics come on and do their diagnostics and let the fuel pump do its thing too. Still dies after a second or 2. Like you said it will probably get better over time. My dealer said to bring it in for first service after 100 hours, seems excessive what about you?
 

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Im probably a bad one to ask. Honestly, I changed all my fluids at 10 hrs and then again at 20 hrs then at 50. Is it excessive? Probably :geek:.

I wouldn't wait till 100 hrs. The dealer will do what you ask. Im sure if you say that you would rather not wait that long they will understand.

My thought is, You want to get the break in material out of the motor, trans and diffs as soon as you can. It has nothing to do with "break in oil" persay. Although there is oil with a higher zinc levels that aid in this process I don't think these bikes come with that from the factory but they might. Change it to early and the metal contact points are still "bedding in" so break in material will still be created after the change. Change it too late and those particles float around possibly causing additional wear.

I'm sure other people probably feel strongly about some other method but this is what I do based on may motor builds and rebuilds. It just makes sense in my lame example of a brain.
I'm definitely not doing it at 100 hours. Most likely at most at the 50 hour mark. Get in another ride or 2 in the next couple weeks and I'll probably be at that point mileage wise where it should be changed.
 

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I could see where a fuel pump not really wanting to wake up from cold, could be contributing to y'alls symptoms. I'd be real curious to see what psi you guys are getting outta cold start.
I mean it doesn't get that cold here. It was even having issues at 5°c. I'll start it tomorrow will be below zero and see how much of an issue it is to start.
 

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My machine does the same thing when starting on a cold engine sometimes i have to start it 4 or 5 times before it stays going.The dealer is looking in to it and i am not holding my breath,it has 86 hrs on it and seems to be getting worse.As for service the manual says 1st 50 hours and 2nd 100.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that has an issue but at the same time doesn't sound good you're saying it's getting worse. Hopefully your dealer finds something they can fix for you.
 

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Mine has done the stalling thing since new also. I thought it was just the break in that helped it but I'm starting to think the full battery was the cure. Now I hit the green button wait 10 or 15 seconds for the fuel pump to run and ecu to read then start it up. It starts and goes right to idle. Idle still drops slightly at the 2 or 3 second mark but it stays running.

I'll disconnect the battery tender for a few days and start it up using the same process as above. If it stalls, I can say with 95% certainty that it's the battery.

To bad we can't program in the high idle function under 35 degrees F.
I'd be interested to hear your results from the battery test. Next time I start mine I'll try waiting longer, I always wait till the fuel pump has shut off and then hit the start button. Maybe I'll give it the 10-15 seconds like you tried and see what happens. I'll definitely have them test the battery too when I get it in for the first service. My last machine I got the battery replaced on warranty cause it crapped out before the 6 months was up.
 

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Mine has done the stalling thing since new also. I thought it was just the break in that helped it but I'm starting to think the full battery was the cure. Now I hit the green button wait 10 or 15 seconds for the fuel pump to run and ecu to read then start it up. It starts and goes right to idle. Idle still drops slightly at the 2 or 3 second mark but it stays running.

I'll disconnect the battery tender for a few days and start it up using the same process as above. If it stalls, I can say with 95% certainty that it's the battery.

To bad we can't program in the high idle function under 35 degrees F.
You're definitely on to something here. I tried waiting about 10 seconds after the fuel pump stopped and it definitely started better.
 

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It's bizarre it's a little different everytime for me. Next time I start it which will be today or tomorrow. I'm just going to start it like I have the last few times and see if it stalls without touching the throttle.
 

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89 hr about 1800km
I'm sitting at about 21 hours and 275 miles currently. I started mine yesterday after sitting for about 3 days. I did the wait 10-15 seconds before pressing the start button and then didn't touch anything to see if it would idle on its own. Started up ran about 2 seconds then stalled. Took 2 more times to get it to start and stay running. I'm not a huge fan of the itc throttle, there's no way it will ever be as responsive as a throttle cable. There's always a slight delay and I find when trying to get on the throttle a bit when first starting maybe it would keep from stalling if there wasn't that slight hesitation in throttle response.
 

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Our 2021 850 did this as well. It was most noticeable if it was cold, and the machine would flutter in and out for 30s - 1minute (occasionally dying altogether). We took it into the dealer for the first service and asked about it. The answer from them was to stop putting 91 octane fuel in. I was surprised, but switched to 87 (which is what our manual recommends) after using up what was left in the tank, and then have had zero trouble with it since.

I'd be curious to know what octane fuel people are using who are having trouble and what altitude they're at (we're at 7,500ft, which means the standard grades of gasoline are lower octane than elsewhere).
I believe your 850 only calls for 87 octane, where as the 1000 specifically says run 91 octane in the manual. Believe me with gas prices I've considered just using regular. To be honest I haven't really had the issue since. I wait longer after initially hitting the start button to bring up the diagnostics and let the fuel pump run and it seems to have been good since.
 
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