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Hello all! I finally located a set of factory can am bead-locks at a great price after many months of searching. I had the rings powder coated dessert tan to match my factory camo. Tomorrow, I will be wrapping a set of Kenda Bear Claw XL tires around them (factory size). I have done some research and am wondering if I should have them balanced after I mount them? My machine is only a 450 and I don't plan on doing any crazy speeds with these wheels and tires, as I will mostly be using them for trail riding and mudding. I will, however, occasionally rip the machine around at high speeds but not often. I have read that bead-locks can be difficult to balance, especially with aggressive tires. The Bear Claw XL's aren't crazy aggressive but I don't know how well these will balance.

Im not really interested in 'filling' the wheels with balancing beads or anything like that, but wondered about just regular, 'ol balancing. I've never mounted a set of bead-locks before so I'm not sure how 'unbalanced' they will be after mounting. I don't want to put them on, run them, and then have to take them off again if I should have just balanced them in the first place. Plus, my nearest can am dealer is over an hour away so that's another reason for me trying to figure out if I should bother taking them to be balanced or not.

Thanks!

 
#2 ·
The type of driving we do does not require balancing the wheels, and your unlikely to feel any difference in the ride or handling of the machine if you do. With that being said, I would run it first and see what it feels like and if I were dissatisfied it's not a big deal to pull the wheel to have them balanced.
 
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So were yours balanced when you bought it? I've never seen a new ATV or UTV that the wheels were balanced from the factory. Did you experience a wobble or shuddering when you drove it? The main cause of "shuddering" would be super aggressive tires (and balancing wouldn't make any difference there). I found this information on line which was what I was saying about the type of riding we do,

It may be a good idea or necessary to balance ATV tires when:
  • The majority of your riding is at speeds above 30 MPH, on smooth trails, paved roads, or racing applications.
  • You use standard size tires with smooth thread pattern or tires intended for on-road use.
  • You regularly use large, aggressively treaded tires at higher speeds.
It may not be a good idea or not necessary to balance ATV tires when:
  • The majority of your riding is at speeds below 30 MPH, such as playing in the mud, technical off-road riding, rock climbing, or utility work.
  • You ride a lot in mud, debris, and rocks.
  • You use large, aggressively threaded mud tires at lower speeds.
 
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#6 ·
Lol, last 3 can am’s I got were balanced from the factory, same with my Raptor ( Yamaha) and many others I own are factory balanced. Who drives under 30? Of course the wheel assemble wobbles when it’s not balanced (handle bars shake too)
 
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Well I've owned 3 can am's and a honda also and my brother owned 2 can am's, a honda, artic cat and a susuki, my best friend and his brother account for another 5 ATV's and 1 UTV and none of them were balanced when there were bought, how could that happen, is it only people in Alaska that don't get the balanced wheels?, oh maybe your dealership balanced them for you out of the kindness of their hearts, pretty sure it didn't come from the factory that way. As far as who drives under 30, all the guys I ride with normally are under 30MPH, you would probably hurt yourself in the terrain we ride in if you were going faster. Our normal driving speed is probably 15-20mph. Take a look at your hours and mileage and see what your average speed is. I have 425 miles on my new Defender with 49.5 hours, that an average of 8.58 mph, my speed stat's show that my top speed so far was 37mph.
Maybe others will chime in with whether their wheels came balanced from the factory or not. But for the time being I'm calling BS on that.
 
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Mine came with balanced wheels, 3.5 Oz on one of them. When I changed tires this year I put balancing beads in them just so I have a chance of them being smooth when I am at speed on pavement. When I am on the trails I ride you would never know if your wheels were balanced or not.

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#11 ·
2019 570 stock 12" rims and tires, not balanced from the dealer, bought in Wisconsin. Nothin to note at 65mph.
2018 570 bighorn 2.0s, 14 inch rims, 9" wide in front, 11" wide in back, came balanced, bought in Illinois. Nothing to note at 65mph.
I have no idea what this means other than when I get new rims/tires I will let them rip and then balance if needed.
 
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Mine is tucked in my trailer at the moment so don’t know if it’s balanced. Yesterday we were on roads riding and I was doing 70 Mph. I felt no wobble, no shake whatsoever. I will check when I can and post pics if I do see wheel weights.
also, what the heck are balancing beads? Never heard of that.
 
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This week I'm replacing the tires on the two 2013 800 XTPs that have bead lock rims with Kenda K587 Bear Claw HTR Tires. Both units currently have balanced wheel assemblies. Will use penetrating fluid on the bead lock bolts prior to removal to prevent snapping off the screws. Taking a rim down to the local automotive shop to verify if they are able to balance the wheel assembly.
 
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That's what I thought...

Here's a picture of my right front wheel, as you can plainly see there are no wheel weights on it. Go figure. The "schematic" kind of shows that they are mounted on the inside of the wheel which doesn't make sense, that's why I thought a picture would clear that up.
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Hey look, here is a pic of my wheel, it has no weights therefore weights don't exist. I was sent Can Am part numbers and schematics showing the factory weights but 50 of my buddies rims have no weights, what's going on here, must be some sort of conspiracy. I see others have weights too but I'm gonna keep going and not admit that I'm wrong because a guy won't snap a pic and show me. I don't understand the basics of balancing and therefore no way do they put weights on the inside of the rim.....

LOL!!!!!!!
 
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Well that's quit a misrepresentation of my posts, you said that I should do my research before I call BS on someone, I replied that I felt changing nearly 50 tires on ATV/UTV's was pretty good hands on research, and I welcomed others to share if theirs were balanced from the manufacturer or not. I acknowledged that some people said yes and some people said no, you provided a link to an online parts store and it showed .5oz weights, and I asked you if you could post a picture of yours because the line off the part makes it look like it is mounted inside the wheel (not on the back side) and a picture would clear that up. Your refusal makes me wonder why you won't do that and quit honestly I tend to believe it's because you can't. To remove a tire and take a picture is what - about a 3 minute job.

and unlike you I'm not just LOL, I'm LMFAO
 
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Thanks for the information everyone! I will be mounting them tomorrow and will hopefully be able to get all 4 mounted. I guess that’s the first battle I need to fight since I’ve never mounted any tires on beadlocks before. If I’m successful in getting all of them mounted I will go from there. Thanks!
 
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I scrapped 7, 1/2 oz weights, off the inside of the left rear wheel this afternoon from Quad #1. As I removed the other three wheels it was obvious where the weights had fallen off due to the "environment" driven. I've thrown the weights in the trash but Quad # 2 is yet to be serviced. I will photograph any existing weights from Quad #2 if they are intact. Should non be attached I could photograph the items in the trash after dumpster diving. I cleaned the wheels with white gas to allow the best adhesion when the assemblies are balanced.
As an aside comment: I could not break the back bead on the original rubber from Quad #1. Packed all four assemblies to the local mechanic shop. It required three presses on each assembly from the tire mounting hardware to break all four beads. Stuck like cat shyte on a blanket.
 
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I've never seen a new ATV or UTV that the wheels were balanced from the factory - Well now you have
So were yours balanced when you bought it? - Yep, just like many others
Is it only people in Alaska that don't get the balanced wheels? - LOL
Oh maybe your dealership balanced them for you out of the kindness of their hearts - Guess not
Pretty sure it didn't come from the factory that way - yet another incorrect statement
You would probably hurt yourself in the terrain we ride in if you were going faster - LOL
My speed stat's show that my top speed so far was 37mph - maybe downsize to a 250cc
But for the time being I'm calling BS on that. - another misplaced non informed opinion (But freely gives "expert" advise to others)
1st the group that I ride with have changed tires on every machine we've had and none of them were balanced - So what
Do you truly believe that every tire that brp mounts on their wheels only requires a 1/2oz weight to balance it? - Still doesn't get it
Manufactures did not balance their tires - wrong again
Why would they balance some and not all? - lacks basic understanding in how an ATV is manufactured. Easy Answer.
The schematic kind of shows that they are mounted on the inside of the wheel which doesn't make sense - LOL, cant read a schematic = does not wrench on machines but talks like they do

So Chief, don't call B.S on people when you yourself have no idea about the topic. On a side note, the advise you provide to people isn't advise, it's more guess work so you can make a post. Kinda like a person who is critical of others who have correct answers.
 
#28 ·
After much consideration and speaking with my local dealer, I have elected NOT to balance them. Once I finish mounting them, I will run them and, barring any horrendous vibrations, likely not balance them.

I only had time to mount the 2 rear tires today. This was my first experience with beadlocks and it went very well! The first one I mounted gave me ZERO issues. The second one, however, went together fine, but when I finished seating the inner bead, I could hear an air leak. It turns out that I have an air leak coming from one spoke below the ring. I did not have time to mess with it further today, but will tomorrow. I will take the ring off, check things out, rotate the ring to a different position, and reapply the ring. Here are some pics! Thanks again for all the information!

 
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After much consideration and speaking with my local dealer, I have elected NOT to balance them. Once I finish mounting them, I will run them and, barring any horrendous vibrations, likely not balance them.

I only had time to mount the 2 rear tires today. This was my first experience with beadlocks and it went very well! The first one I mounted gave me ZERO issues. The second one, however, went together fine, but when I finished seating the inner bead, I could hear an air leak. It turns out that I have an air leak coming from one spoke below the ring. I did not have time to mess with it further today, but will tomorrow. I will take the ring off, check things out, rotate the ring to a different position, and reapply the ring. Here are some pics! Thanks again for all the information!

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I mounted four of eight tires on my beadlock rims yesterday. I cleaned the mounting/contact surfaces with white gas. Used a bit of dialectric grease used for electrical connections on the rims and rubber. After tightening the beadlock 16 bolts I bounced the tire to settle all contact points and laid the assembly on its side and jumped on the rubber. Four good seals. Did you mount the rubber in the correct direction?? Bahaha. Just kidding. Enjoy the ride.

YES MY SECOND QUAD HAS WEIGTHED/BALANCED RIMS AND TIRES>
 
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OK, well I did a little more “RESEARCH” by going down to AMDS while I was out shopping today and they had 1 Mavrick, 5 Defenders, and 7 Outlanders and I checked each one of them and none of them had wheel weights. Then I went to the service desk and talked to the Service Manager (Joe Winningham) and he said that the only rides he ever saw with wheel weights were the racing type machines and he mentioned the DS450? (I'm not familiar with that one) , and he said they were useless because they were wiped off in the first couple of rides. He asked what I rode and he pulled up their parts list and he said that in their catalog there was no mention of wheel weights for the Defender at all.

I've never seen a new ATV or UTV that the wheels were balanced from the factory - Well now you have
NO I HAVEN'T, REMEMBER I ASKED YOU TO TAKE A PICTURE, BUT YOU COULDN'T


So were yours balanced when you bought it? - Yep, just like many others
NOPE, I HAVE PERSNALLY LOOKS AT 28 MACHINES NOW AND NONE HAD WHEELS WEIGHTS


Is it only people in Alaska that don't get the balanced wheels? - LOL
TRYING TO SHOW YOU THE ABSURDITY OF YOUR POST


Oh maybe your dealership balanced them for you out of the kindness of their hearts - Guess not
NO, I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T.


Pretty sure it didn't come from the factory that way - yet another incorrect statement
AFTER TALKING WITH THE SERVICE MANAGER AT AMDS, HE CONFIRMED THAT UTILITY MACHINES DO NOT HAVE WHEEL WEIGHTS


You would probably hurt yourself in the terrain we ride in if you were going faster - LOL
YOU MUST NEVER HAVE RIDDEN IN EUREKA, WHEN YOU GET INTO THE FLAT CREEK / NELCHINA / LITTLE O YOU HAVE WATER CROSSING ALMOST EVERY 100 YARDS OR LESS, AND YOU SURE AS HELL WOULD GET F—K'D UP IF YOU HIT THEM A ANY REAL SPEED, NOT TO MENTION THE HILLS THAT YOU GO UP / DOWN.


My speed stat's show that my top speed so far was 37mph - maybe downsize to a 250cc
i'M SORRY I'M A MATURE RIDER NOW AND DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO BE AN IDIOT, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU.


But for the time being I'm calling BS on that. - another misplaced non informed opinion (But freely gives "expert" advise to others)
THE INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDE IS BASED ON PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND THE RESEARCH THAT I DO ON LINE, CALLING B.S. ON AN OBVIOUS MISINFORMATION IS MY PLEASURE.


1st the group that I ride with have changed tires on every machine we've had and none of them were balanced - So what
IT GAVE ME EXPERIENCE AND WAS WHAT I BASED MY ADVISE ON


Do you truly believe that every tire that brp mounts on their wheels only requires a 1/2oz weight to balance it? - Still doesn't get it
THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO THE PARTS CATALOG THAT SHOW “ONE” .5OZ WEIGHT


Manufactures did not balance their tires - wrong again
NO I WAS RIGHT AGAIN, I CHECKED WITH THE AMDS SERVICE MANAGER.


Why would they balance some and not all? - lacks basic understanding in how an ATV is manufactured. Easy Answer.
YEAH REAL EASY ANSWER, ONCE AGAIN, I'VE PHYSICALLY CHECKED ALL THE RIDES AT AMDS AND TALKED TO THE SERVICE MANAGER AND HE SAID THAT THE ONLY MACHINES THAT WERE EQUIPED WITH WHEEL WEIGHTS WERE THE RACING TYPE MACHINES.


The schematic kind of shows that they are mounted on the inside of the wheel which doesn't make sense - LOL, cant read a schematic = does not wrench on machines but talks like they do
FIRST OF ALL I SHOULD HAVE CORRECTED YOU THE FIRST TIME WHEN YOU CALL THE PARTS DRAWING A SCHEMATIC BUT I JUST WANTED TO FOCAS ON THE QUESTION AT HAND AND NOT YOUR LACK OF TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE. FYI I WAS TRYING TO INTICE YOU TO GIVE ME A PICTURE OR TO REFUSE TO DO IT SO I WOULD KNOW THAT YOU WERE JUST FULL OF IT. FYI I'M BEEN TURNING WRENCHES PROBABLY LONGER THAN YOU'VE BEEN ALIVE. I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A CERTIFIED MACHANIC, AND HAVE ONLY WORKED ON MY OWN OR FRIENDS MACHINES. THE INFORMATION/ADVISE THAT I PROVIDE HERE IS BASED UPON MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND ANY RESEARCH THAT I DO. AND THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE OF EVERYBODY ON HERE. SO WHEN SOMEBODY LIKE YOU COMES ON HERE AND MAKES A STATEMENTS AND LIES ABOUT WHAT HE HAS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM CALLING THEM OUT.


So Chief, don't call B.S on people when you yourself have no idea about the topic. On a side note, the advise you provide to people isn't advise, it's more guess work so you can make a post. Kinda like a person who is critical of others who have correct answers.
I WILL CONTINUE TO SHARE MY KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION THAT I RESEARCH WITH MEMBERS HERE THAT HAVE QUESTIONS. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A CORRECT ANSWER, I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE IT, UNTIL THEN I'LL CALL B.S. AS I SEE IT.
 
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Years ago in Quitman Arkansas I had a tire store named Pitstop that was between town and the race track. I sold Cooper/Matercraft tires. I mounted and balanced them too! On the big trucks, I would toss in a bag of equal before mounting the tire. On a wheel loader I would have laughed at anyone who might attempt to balance one of those out of the absurdity of it! I have 13 years in building totaled out cars and trucks unitized structural autobody and collision related mechanical with full certifications for insurance purposes. I have 16 years as a heavy duty diesel mechanic and happened to have full master certifications for that too for insurance purposes. I was once a licensed 3 phase industrial and single phase residential electrician. Certified Welder/Fabricator for Bristol Steel Davison MI. Master blueprint reader and drafter.

So I have some experience under my belt.

Next thing BBH will be preaching about will be wheel weights on a wheelchair or lawnmower. Probably has windshield wipers on his glasses.
 
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#32 ·
"Next thing BBH will be preaching about will be wheel weights on a wheelchair or lawnmower. Probably has windshield wipers on his glasses."

No, just well balanced tires on my rides. After reading the post the word Tool does come to my mind.
 
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Hello all! I finally located a set of factory can am bead-locks at a great price after many months of searching. I had the rings powder coated dessert tan to match my factory camo. Tomorrow, I will be wrapping a set of Kenda Bear Claw XL tires around them (factory size). I have done some research and am wondering if I should have them balanced after I mount them? My machine is only a 450 and I don't plan on doing any crazy speeds with these wheels and tires, as I will mostly be using them for trail riding and mudding. I will, however, occasionally rip the machine around at high speeds but not often. I have read that bead-locks can be difficult to balance, especially with aggressive tires. The Bear Claw XL's aren't crazy aggressive but I don't know how well these will balance.

Im not really interested in 'filling' the wheels with balancing beads or anything like that, but wondered about just regular, 'ol balancing. I've never mounted a set of bead-locks before so I'm not sure how 'unbalanced' they will be after mounting. I don't want to put them on, run them, and then have to take them off again if I should have just balanced them in the first place. Plus, my nearest can am dealer is over an hour away so that's another reason for me trying to figure out if I should bother taking them to be balanced or not.

Thanks!

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I have a 2016 Outty 1000 that I bought two wheel sets for. One for nasty wheeling and one set that is DOT rated for road use. I took them to a Big-O tire store and they were able to easily balance them. Very cheep to do and makes a HUGE difference.
 
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In theory having a balanced tire is better. In reality, the tires get muddy, wear uneven, get debris stuck in the bead, all of which will affect a balanced tire. I have owned 3 Renegade XXC’s. 2 1000’s and an 850. I’ve owned Outlander XXC’s too. Some came with wheel weights some didn’t. We’re the weights “factory” or a dealer prep add on ? 🤷🏻‍♂️
I have found that after a short time the inner wheel weights get ripped off by mud, ice or whatever hits it when your wide open in the slop, buried, slinging rooster tails off all 4 tires.

And after going 70+ mph on hard pack, dirt roads & pavement there is never an overwhelming shake or shudder. Is it smooth as glass, no. It’s an ATV with tires that are “NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE”

In short, don’t balance, your balanced tire will not be balanced for long. RR
 
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