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Strange that with 100 + subsections , there isn't one for transpoting your ride .
For years I hauled my Renegade in the back of my 8' regular cab 4x4 Chevy .
All that weight plus gear has taken its toll on my spring bushings ( just replaced with urethane ) .
This will be season # 3 with my Triton 2 place aluminum with plywood deck .
I have used 4 anchor points in the past but am not a big fan of hauling my bikes with the suspension squashed .
I'm kicking around the 1 strap & 1 chock per wheel system .
Wondering what all you folks are using on your open trailers .
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I hook mine to the trailer hitch and front A arms this way the suspension still works, i also do not use the ratchet strap i use the one you have to pull to tighten. I found the ratchet strap to easy to over tighten.. Been hauling this way for 10 plus years with no issues and after i purchased a set a of good straps i have not had to change them out in 6 years.

ON a side note i doubt it was the weight in your box that caused early failure i have been hauling my machine that way for 10 years and have not had to replace bushings. I have a trailer as well but only use it when im transporting more than one machine.
I just bought this identical set as a backup for my Erickson straps/chocks. This over the wheel setup works perfectly, we use it for our Maverick Sport and our X3, and I've trailered them 600 miles on a one way trip multiple times and never even had to tighten one. It doesn't budge. I used the same straps on just 2 tires on the Outlander when we brought it home 50 miles from the dealer and it didn't move at all either.

I ended up removing the wheel chocks and using E track on our trailer deck, this gives more flexibility to adjust tongue weight if you add more cargo, or to use the trailer for something with a different footprint. The downside is they don't sell those convenient e track straps without the chocks so now I have extra chocks. You can get these

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and use regular straps but I like the compactness of the short dedicated straps.

I have towed the SxS on the E track without chocks and it still doesn't move, many companies transport cars this way. I did buy some removeable chocks that snap into E track for peace of mind though, just 2 for the front.

Whenever we arrive or load up to leave the trails I see other people strapping down their rigs and it takes them 5x longer than me and I do all 4 tires. I've seen people mess with squashing the suspension (which just works at loosening the straps) and only use 2 straps and it takes way longer.
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Triton 4 place sled trailer for the fam and I have a small tip trailer I use for ice fishing. I've made the mistake of bringing this pig to the parking lot only to be hosed by how others parked when fishing. Lots of straps and I now pull them all on like the kids quads, makes unloading at the trail faster. Used my truck bed for the prior 10 years up until I got that small trailer.
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Strange that with 100 + subsections , there isn't one for transpoting your ride .
For years I hauled my Renegade in the back of my 8' regular cab 4x4 Chevy .
All that weight plus gear has taken its toll on my spring bushings ( just replaced with urethane ) .
This will be season # 3 with my Triton 2 place aluminum with plywood deck .
I have used 4 anchor points in the past but am not a big fan of hauling my bikes with the suspension squashed .
I'm kicking around the 1 strap & 1 chock per wheel system .
Wondering what all you folks are using on your open trailers .
I agree, the only place to tie-down is as close to wheel center as possible. Something that does not move. And I never cross-straps either like some do. I used a chock and strap system on my first trailer and it worked well. But it limited the location of the machine too much for me. Something as simple as getting bigger tires caused me to move the chocks which meant I had to drill new holes and move the chocks. When I got a new Blizzard trailer, I went with adjustable anchor points and regular straps so I could place the machines based on weight and/or qty. I do like tire baskets/straps though. Even these simple ones in Harbor Freight would be more than enough. You could use e-track or just spread out some flush tie-downs will give you lots of adjustment.

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Also, I know they are rated well but I do not like Rhino straps. Bought a set 4 years ago and they were the first rachet straps I've ever had loosen up to the point my machine moved sideways, and I noticed in my mirror. This was in the first couple miles on a very rough dirt rd. Chalked it up to me not latching it down but when it happened again, I stopped using them. I like Speed-Straps best. Bought set of those and they are great. They gotta cool recovery strap to. Speed-strap makes bonnets as well but they are $55 a piece.
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The loosening seems to be all in the strap material itself . I sew my own straps to length and the polyester makeup holds much better than nylon . The tradeoff is that polyester needs to be replaced every couple years .
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The loosening seems to be all in the strap material itself . I sew my own straps to length and the polyester makeup holds much better than nylon . The tradeoff is that polyester needs to be replaced every couple years .
Could be, but I never had an issue with other brands, at least not like that.
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My solution was to put two blocks of wood that I fab'd on the center line of the trailer. They are about 10” tall. When I drive over them with my Defender there is just a couple inches to spare. Then I put my 4 heavy duty straps on from each corner of the trailer and tighten them until the bottom of the Defender is securely resting on the top of the wooden blocks. This way I am not putting too much stress on the suspension system of the Defender and it is held firmly in place and there is no way that the straps can become loosened because of the movement of the suspension on the Defender.

Here's a old picture that shows the blocks in place.
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^^^ Yep , I thought about some cribbing or something to slide underneath .
Big blocks in the way of loading anything else on the trailer? No thanks.
Big blocks in the way of loading anything else on the trailer? No thanks.
Four screws to remove them (what about 30 seconds), and I really don't use the trailer for anything thing else other then my Defender anyway.

Before I did this with the blocks, I did have straps that were loosened up because of the movement of the suspension on the atv, and on long road trips I would often check the straps and would have to tighten them up periodically. Since using the blocks I have never had to tighten a strap that had become loose, so the slight inconvenience of having to remove the blocks if I wanted to use the trailer for hauling something else is far outweighed by the piece of mind that this procedure gives me. But to each his own.
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Big blocks in the way of loading anything else on the trailer? No thanks.
Mine would be temporary bud .
You slide them under the bike , draw the straps down and the tension traps them between the frame and deck
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Four screws to remove them (what about 30 seconds), and I really don't use the trailer for anything thing else other then my Defender anyway.

Before I did this with the blocks, I did have straps that were loosened up because of the movement of the suspension on the atv, and on long road trips I would often check the straps and would have to tighten them up periodically. Since using the blocks I have never had to tighten a strap that had become loose, so the slight inconvenience of having to remove the blocks if I wanted to use the trailer for hauling something else is far outweighed by the piece of mind that this procedure gives me. But to each his own.
Great that it works for you, but I'd be too worried if even one strap loosens up, the potential of the machine beating itself on the support as now it can rise slightly then go down. That's why I strap to non-moving parts, (suspension inside the wheels or the tires themselves) the machine is allowed to move on her suspension all day and never affect the straps. And I've completely lost one strap, yet the machine didn't a bit. My father was a truck driver who hauled wheeled equipment often and that's how he taught me to do it.
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Great that it works for you, but I'd be too worried if even one strap loosens up, the potential of the machine beating itself on the support as now it can rise slightly then go down. That's why I strap to non-moving parts, (suspension inside the wheels or the tires themselves) the machine is allowed to move on her suspension all day and never affect the straps. And I've completely lost one strap, yet the machine didn't a bit. My father was a truck driver who hauled wheeled equipment often and that's how he taught me to do it.
Bingo.
Great that it works for you, but I'd be too worried if even one strap loosens up, the potential of the machine beating itself on the support as now it can rise slightly then go down. That's why I strap to non-moving parts, (suspension inside the wheels or the tires themselves) the machine is allowed to move on her suspension all day and never affect the straps. And I've completely lost one strap, yet the machine didn't a bit. My father was a truck driver who hauled wheeled equipment often and that's how he taught me to do it.
Yeah everything that I have ever heard or read about what was the best way to secure a wheeled vehicle to a trailer was to secure a non-moving part (i.e. wheels, solid axle or some part not effected by the suspension).

Remember most large loads that truck drivers deal with are secured with chain binders which movement of the suspension is unlikely to loosen one of them.

My thought process was that securing an ATV/UTV with that method utilizing ratchet straps left you with the suspension moving freely up and down putting stress on the straps and possibly loosening one or more of them. Remember when the ATV/UTV reaches the top of the suspension movement the energy of that movement is transfered to whatever is holding it to the trailer. From your own experience you said you have lost a strap using that method, my question would be "what caused that"? And the answer most probably would be the movement of the suspension.

Don't get me wrong, I truly believe that securing your ATV/UTV with this method is probably one of the best and most accepted methods that are used, I just know that I have never had a strap loosen up using the blocks under my UTV.
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i have the same trailer, i use 2 straps upfront and use the the skid plate holes in the middle of the floor boards to the outer loops, then i use a med duty chain on front from welded loops around front of frame. rear i use 2 straps from hitch to outer loop and a chain around welded ramp support to hitch. i do not compress suspesion at all. i have trailered from ohio to utah (1800 miles one way) with that set up no problem.
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Yeah everything that I have ever heard or read about what was the best way to secure a wheeled vehicle to a trailer was to secure a non-moving part (i.e. wheels, solid axle or some part not effected by the suspension).

Remember most large loads that truck drivers deal with are secured with chain binders which movement of the suspension is unlikely to loosen one of them.

My thought process was that securing an ATV/UTV with that method utilizing ratchet straps left you with the suspension moving freely up and down putting stress on the straps and possibly loosening one or more of them. Remember when the ATV/UTV reaches the top of the suspension movement the energy of that movement is transfered to whatever is holding it to the trailer. From your own experience you said you have lost a strap using that method, my question would be "what caused that"? And the answer most probably would be the movement of the suspension.

Don't get me wrong, I truly believe that securing your ATV/UTV with this method is probably one of the best and most accepted methods that are used, I just know that I have never had a strap loosen up using the blocks under my UTV.
I get what you are wanting to do, secure it like hard cargo. To me, crates and pallets are one thing, vehicles are another. I have hauled both. If you see a professional car hauler, I bet he is using axle straps. Why? Because they allow the car to move on its suspension, but not those tires.

And since I do not hook to any moving suspension parts, it wasn't the suspension that loosened my strap. It actually just the reel that loosened. On the Rhino brand straps. If you attach to non-moving parts, it will not move and nothing will affect the straps because the suspension can move. That movement actually alleviates some stress on the strap as the suspension eats up some of the energy before the strap feels it. The other point is that now I have the straps as horizontal as possible, another plus.
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Yes, I guess the term “hard cargo” could be applied here.

Yes, car haulers use the axles for their attachment point – for 2 reasons, #1 it is unsprung location and #2 it is one of the few location that can support the stress that they will have applied to them.

Yes I understand that you secured it to an unsprung point, and that it was the reel on the ratchet strap that actually loosened, but what caused the reel to loosen, and that was most likely the movement of the vehicles suspension when it reached the top point of the suspension movement and tranferred that energy to the strap.

And no, the suspension movement does not actually alleviate some stress on the strap. Look at it this way, if I take a tension scale and put it on each ratchet strap and apply 100 lbs to each of them. On the “hard cargo” those scales would remain at a near constant 100lbs because there are no external forces being applied to them (with the exception of inertia which would apply equally to any tie down method), if you do the same with a vehicle that is secured on unsprung points only, when the suspension moves and reaches it highest point during that movement that energy is transferred to the straps holding it to the trailer and those scales would show an increase in the lbs and over time it could loosen the reel of your ratchet strap, which is probably how yours got loose.
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Most of us have seen people use their bumpers/racks for tie down points or use their winch to secure the front. And while most of them have some success and some people swear by them, some are obviously MUCH better, and the way you advocate attaching to an unsprung attachment point is at the top of the list. My method simply make every attachment point an unsprung attachment point and eliminates any external force from movement of the suspension.

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The only thing I can think of that is different is that your method has the springs constantly pushing up against the straps, whereas strapping the wheels down does not. Your strap tension would be higher for the same clamping force to hold the vehicle down. Unlikely that it would matter given the strength of the straps.
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