The XMR is more than capable of trail riding. The Silverbacks on the XMR are not bad on the trial. Honestly the only time you notice the big lugs is going under 5mph or going through deep mud. In my opinion the XMR 1000 is the way to go you get good shocks its snorkeled and is cheaper in price then the XT-P.

Arms and hands never get tired.

 

I vote the XT-P hands down unless you live in the mud. The XMR will never be the trail machine the XT-P is on trail. The XTP can do ok in mud too, but not as good as XMR of course.

 

I trail ride my xmr all the time and it does fantastic. When there is a mud hole and you want to go thru it, you know you have the best machine for it....Honestly in all reality it really depends on how fast you ride. If you mainly trail ride fast then I'd get the xtp bc that is where the shocks on the xtp will shine, but if you trail ride at a slower pace and like to hit some mud, then I'd get the xmr...

 

The Silverback tires are a horrible tire for trail, being an XMR owner you don't notice it until you try on a different tire and ask yourself how you dealt with them before. The other issue is the radiator is relocated and it is snorkeled so the bike when used as a trail machine will get hotter to the driver. The other issue is the shocks have such a short amount of travel being an XMR they fail in comparison to the same model shocks on the XTP which have plenty more travel.

These are the three biggest reasons in why if you are a trail rider you should buy the XTP. Too many people buy the wrong machine for there use and come back here and complain about the XMR... Just be honest with yourself in how much mud you are actually going to do.

 

All great replies, I think the last one kinda sums it up perfectly.

If I want to drive in mud I can drive 30 seconds out my back yard and hit a Black Bog and Mud all day, or I can hit trail and ride trail all day, the Sales guy at the BRP dealership said the new tires on the Outlander Max are quite good in the mud, so maybe the XT-P is for me.

I'm probably not going to mud every time I go out but maybe 25% of a 4 hour day will be spent in muddy.wet conditions

 

MudHatter, good afternoon! Right about now the glorious gasps and deep sighs are ramping up at the very thought of myself even saying anything, LMAO I'm the long winded :devil . This is once again one of the profound Opinionated questions of all time.

XTP vs XMR shouldn't be the question in my opinion, the actual question is why should anyone spend more money on the 2017 XTP/MAX XTP vs the 2017 XMR. Sure the XTP comes in 1-up, 2-up and the XMR 1000R only 2-up without the seat. So lets list two of the extras the XMR gives you at a lower price and detail their importance.

Radiator Relocate.
2" extra Ground Clearance.

If I hear another soul say anything about heat and in the same sentence claiming the XTP is better than the XMR.....well :th_smiliefrustrated . The very fact that the lean settings are turning up the heat in an already cramped machine forces the notion that the Radiator should be moved to create more space, better radiator cross air and the ability to move more air in and around the engine compartment. Hands down the XMR Wins but it still needs a hole cut through the hood. However based on my opinion you've at least won at this point, in that you paid less and have better cooling to a degree. XMR for the win!

Ground Clearance, this category should be highlighted and in bold. Not only does the XMR have better clearance at 2" it also changes the footprint by 4" in width. That's two inches overall in each direction for stability whether you're running smaller and or less aggressive tires. This number is in the set-up not the Silverbacks. So you're getting a better set-up again for less money. You're going to get through holes and over obstacles better, period. Hell, how many folks come on here and ask what's the better option to get 2" of lift or what tires will give me just enough more clearance.........I can't even count the time this happens yearly. XMR for the win!

Look I can go on for days as to why the XTP shouldn't exist at it's current price point but it truly boils down to this. These quads are not so different in 2017. Sure you get a two-up seat with the MAX but that seat is on CL and Ebay daily at good prices and the Dealer lets them go between $450-500. Say you live in Michigan, California and a few of these places where it's prominently sand ridding, then sure the Silverbacks are going to dig you into a hole but lets face it, the tires are going to have to be replaced anyway so why not factor another set into your already expensive ATV Loan and have two sets for multiple different styles of riding just to be safe. We are killing it on our Silverbacks, trail riding, rock crawling, hill climbing, and so forth, all while two-up everywhere. Are they the best at everything, of course not, but I assure you of this, they have gotten us everywhere the rest of the crowd is headed/going. Hell, we just road Rock House with them last month, TO EASY! Do they walk at high speeds YES...but if you're aware of that going in you're ahead of the curve and should be prepared for what ever condition comes up and still have the ability to control the situation based off of being pro-active and less re-active to this challenge.

Bottom line in purchasing anything is to get everything you can get for the money you're spending. Most....a large majority of folks are not going to leave their quad stock. The most common changes are Tires, Suspension, Cooling and Tune (exhaust and extras), with the XMR you get two big modifications out of the way and once again the tires only last so long. I say buy what you want but remember this down the road when and if you pay more for something and get less, only to then turn around and buy those things later not to mention the components it takes to achieve installing those better options afterwards. The XMR's extras are not just as simple as what you see to get them to fit, there are countless differences in parts between the two set-ups. In the end everything can be changed, but having fun while being safe is the most important, SALUTE!

 

Oh, and another thing, they both come with the 1.5 FOX Podium QS3 Shocks in 2017, so where is that better handling going to come from so many others are claiming. You're at the mercy of the tires, riding styles, terrain types basically at this point and or buying another set of shocks for either machine.

Before anyone chimes in and says the XTP shocks have more travel.....well how about that they do don't they BUT that travel has nothing to do with the overall dampening and or control these shocks bring to both machines. Yes under extreme articulation traversing over terrain such as large bolders and or hitting Tobacco rows angled your going to notice this difference in travel but in this instance you're not going to be running high speeds. However I can tell you over 2-5 lb boulders 25-35 mph smooths even the XMR out. The Fox shocks whether long travel or short control dampening the exact same way and that's they are perfection. They may not be ELKA's (which I have know Idea, never owned them) but the Fox's are far superior to anything else we've owned. SALUTE!

 

Ground Clearance, this category should be highlighted and in bold. Not only does the XMR have better clearance at 2" it also changes the footprint by 4" in width. That's two inches overall in each direction for stability whether you're running smaller and or less aggressive tires. This number is in the set-up not the Silverbacks.[/QUOTE]

Not true. The height and width is 100% due to the tires and wheel offset. Rest of suspension is the same minus the xmr having less travel in the shocks. The shocks are the same length. Most dealers setup the springs on xmr's at max preload for max height. Put same tires/wheels on both bikes and crank springs on the xtp and exact same height can be achieved.(side note; the xtp would need fenders trimmed to clear 30" tires).



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Ground Clearance, this category should be highlighted and in bold. Not only does the XMR have better clearance at 2" it also changes the footprint by 4" in width. That's two inches overall in each direction for stability whether you're running smaller and or less aggressive tires. This number is in the set-up not the Silverbacks.

Not true. The height and width is 100% due to the tires and wheel offset. Rest of suspension is the same minus the xmr having less travel in the shocks. The shocks are the same length. Most dealers setup the springs on xmr's at max preload for max height. Put same tires/wheels on both bikes and crank springs on the xtp and exact same height can be achieved.(side note; the xtp would need fenders trimmed to clear 30" tires).



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Iam_canadian22, as a matter of FACT the shocks are the same TYPE (1.5 Podium QS3's) NOT the same shock, 2017 XTP front pkg# (706202729 at $679.99), rear pkg# (706002597 UNAVL) & 2017 XMR front pkg# (706202732 at $469.99), rear pkg# (706002601 at $679.99).

My point was type of shock and dampening, I even stated travel was different but how it dampens is the same. Another thing, I have yet to see any XMR's locally sold with Pre-loads at max but Okay I'll take your word for it....some might. Performance East sold 3 XMR 1000R's while I finished my purchase on a Saturday and Four the day before, all of our quads shocks were delivered to us just at or under half Pre-load and we still tower above the XTP. Yes, the XMR Silverbacks are 30" vs XTP 26" so you get a 4" difference that equals two inches of tire lift but the shocks have nothing to do with it Pre-loaded or not. Lastly shock wise, If the exact same height could be achieved from maxing pre-load, trimming the XTP's fenders for 30's as you put it wouldn't be necessary :devil


If you read correctly, I posted that the SILVERBACKS had nothing to do with it, it's the (SET-UP)........ I.E. wheels would be part of the set-up.
Again it all goes back to OPINIONS on questions such as this and we all have them but when you go trying to contradict/correct someone and their OPINION, you must first read theirs thoroughly. Here to help not hurt and as always, SALUTE!

 

Ground Clearance, this category should be highlighted and in bold. Not only does the XMR have better clearance at 2" it also changes the footprint by 4" in width. That's two inches overall in each direction for stability whether you're running smaller and or less aggressive tires. This number is in the set-up not the Silverbacks.

Not true. The height and width is 100% due to the tires and wheel offset. Rest of suspension is the same minus the xmr having less travel in the shocks. The shocks are the same length. Most dealers setup the springs on xmr's at max preload for max height. Put same tires/wheels on both bikes and crank springs on the xtp and exact same height can be achieved.(side note; the xtp would need fenders trimmed to clear 30" tires).



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Iam_canadian22, as a matter of FACT the shocks are the same TYPE (1.5 Podium QS3's) NOT the same shock, 2017 XTP front pkg# (706202729 at $679.99), rear pkg# (706002597 UNAVL) & 2017 XMR front pkg# (706202732 at $469.99), rear pkg# (706002601 at $679.99).

My point was type of shock and dampening, I even stated travel was different but how it dampens is the same. Another thing, I have yet to see any XMR's locally sold with Pre-loads at max but Okay I'll take your word for it....some might. Performance East sold 3 XMR 1000R's while I finished my purchase on a Saturday and Four the day before, all of our quads shocks were delivered to us just at or under half Pre-load and we still tower above the XTP. Yes, the XMR Silverbacks are 30" vs XTP 26" so you get a 4" difference that equals two inches of tire lift but the shocks have nothing to do with it Pre-loaded or not. Lastly shock wise, If the exact same height could be achieved from maxing pre-load, trimming the XTP's fenders for 30's as you put it wouldn't be necessary :devil


If you read correctly, I posted that the SILVERBACKS had nothing to do with it, it's the (SET-UP)........ I.E. wheels would be part of the set-up.
Again it all goes back to OPINIONS on questions such as this and we all have them but when you go trying to contradict/correct someone and their OPINION, you must first read theirs thoroughly. Here to help not hurt and as always, SALUTE![/QUOTE]

Cutting the fenders is required. They come precut on the xmr's. Every dealer arround cranks the springs on xmr's. Havent seen one that doesnt. Might just be a thing they do up here. You said tires had nothing to do with the ground clearance but it does. Shocks are same type yes but the ones on xmr have less travel.

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If you are looking for a rig that is both mud fun and trail friendly is it better to buy an XMR and throw Bighorns on it when you want to trail or is it better to buy a XT-P and throw 30 inch mud tires on it when you want to mud?

I've only had Big Horns on my rig and I've heard from people who ride mud tires, that mud tires on trail give significant feedback to your hands and arms, tiring out you arms and hands and they can pull you off center.

The Silverback tires are a horrible tire for trail, being an XMR owner you don't notice it until you try on a different tire and ask yourself how you dealt with them before. The other issue is the radiator is relocated and it is snorkeled so the bike when used as a trail machine will get hotter to the driver. The other issue is the shocks have such a short amount of travel being an XMR they fail in comparison to the same model shocks on the XTP which have plenty more travel.

These are the three biggest reasons in why if you are a trail rider you should buy the XTP. Too many people buy the wrong machine for there use and come back here and complain about the XMR... Just be honest with yourself in how much mud you are actually going to do.

^this, 110%. If your trail riding is slow to medium pace and you jump in every mud hole you see then the xmr. If your trail riding is fast paced and you only go mudding once in a while and avoid it the other times then the xtp is for you. Now obviously you can get second tires for both. My 2 cents on that is as fallows. Trail tires such as blackwater evo's are a huge improvement on the xmr for trailing but it still falls short compared to the xtp because of its shorter travel and stiffer valving. Mud tires for the xtp make it capable (again fender trimming required for the same 30"tires) but the xmr has the advantage here with its lower gearing. All that aside both my outlander xmr and maverick xmr have 100% met my needs.

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I have an XMR and trail ride it 80% of the time but would I trade it probably not I like to know that my machine is fully capable to handle anything I come across. I agree that the SB seem ok until you get better trail tires, I just put blackwater evo's and it made a huge difference in the same trails.

I liked the XMR for the heavier duty diff and radiator relocation. Neither machine will disappoint, when I replace my 2nd machine I'll probably get an XTP unless the triple black comes back then it'll be tough!


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