When I first got into ATV's my friend told me to get the largest ATV that I could afford and assured me that I was less likely to complain about too much power than I was to complain about not enough power if I got a smaller machine. I've always followed that advice and have never been disappointed. As far as the fuel comsumption, yes there is a difference, but not enough to consider it a game changer. On my day trips I never needed to fuel up in the field (usually 50 miles or less) and on long multiple days trips I always carried extra fuel as did everybody else with the smaller machines.

 

When I first got into ATV's my friend told me to get the largest ATV that I could afford and assured me that I was less likely to complain about too much power than I was to complain about not enough power if I got a smaller machine. I've always followed that advice and have never been disappointed. As far as the fuel comsumption, yes there is a difference, but not enough to consider it a game changer. On my day trips I never needed to fuel up in the field (usually 50 miles or less) and on long multiple days trips I always carried extra fuel as did everybody else with the smaller machines.

This is the correct answer.

 

Person, I think you'll be more than happy with an 850. The $1,000 ads roughly another 150 lb heavier, it is going to suck fuel back a little bit more than the 850 but also on that note it's sucking back premium fuel whereas the 850 can be fueled with regular.
I just went through this debate with myself the last few weeks. Trying to decide between an 850 or 1000 max XT. As you can tell by my signature, I finally settled on the 850, mostly due to the fuel thing and inventory. A 1000 max XT in Oxford blue was next to impossible for me to find, whereas there were lots of 850 kicking around. The only 1000 I could really find was to go to an XMR model. That's not for me. I didn't want the lower gearing and I definitely didn't want the rad relocate, as to me personal opinion. Think it looks stupid, but but also I use the front rack quite often so I don't need the rad stuck there taking up space.

 

Have a 2016 1000 r max and a 2020 850 regular. After the 850 got broken in it uses a noticeable amount less in fuel, actually hooks up instead of spinning, and has more than enough power. I wish my 1000 was an 850. Just started running 87 octane in the 1000 due to price. Haven't noticed a performance difference but I am constantly listening for ticking valves. Not sure what year they put a knock sensor in so you can run cheap fuel. Maybe someone can chime in on that.

 

There is no difference in fuel used between the 1000r and the 850. I seen this first hand lots. I ride with four 850 from 2019 to 2022. My 2021 1000r uses the same amount of gas, we have even tested this. Now as for your 800, it will beat the 850 and the 1000 all day long. We have one 800 2015 that uses the same fuel as the 2020 650. Why there is a little weight gain from 850 to 1000r is heavier duty parts. The 1000r has the Commander transmission just for start. But buy what you will, your the one that has to live with your pick. I'll keep my 1000r XMR AND LOVE IT ALL DAY LONG.

 

I thought the new 1000 recommended 91 and the 850 stayed at 87?

 

Thanks, everyone.

It's interesting that our 800 actually weighs less (dry weight) than my brother's 570. It also has a smaller capacity gas tank than his.

FWIW, here is a pic of our 800 and a couple views of just one of the mountain trails we ride (a bit dry in late summer).

 

I have a 2016 650 and a friend of mine has a 2009 800. Both Max models. We raced a couple of times and the 800 will pull ahead of the 650 at the start but once both machines get going, they stay within the same distance from each other. Not that big of a difference whereas I thought the 800 would have a bigger edge over the 650.

In terms of horsepower, the 650 has 62 whereas the 800R has 71. The 850 has 78 and the 1000R has 91.
In terms of horsepower per displacement, the 650 comes out on top.

 

Thank you for the input, xserver.

 

Easy to pick out those 2011s. They have that look about them.

 

Right.

Kind of cool design.

As a side comment, one of the things we do like about our 2011 is the comfort of the seats (both driver and passenger). I personally think newer models are a bit stiffer than our 2011 (age and personal preference taken into consideration). Among my siblings and extended family, we own seven Outlanders; my brother who owns two newer Max 570s thinks our 2011 seat is more comfortable. Not a hill to die on, of course; just a comment. They are all ergonomically correct and comfortable.

 

Right.

Kind of cool design.

As a side comment, one of the things we do like about our 2011 is the comfort of the seats (both driver and passenger). I personally think newer models are a bit stiffer than our 2011 (age and personal preference taken into consideration). Among my siblings and extended family, we own seven Outlanders; my brother who owns two newer Max 570s thinks our 2011 seat is more comfortable. Not a hill to die on, of course; just a comment. They are all ergonomically correct and comfortable.

I agree the gen1s seats are much more comfortable.

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2019 is the first year the 1000s recommend 91. It is the same year they added knock sensor and went from 89 to 91 hp.

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I'm definitely a fan of the G1s from 2011 best year machine Can Am ever built IMO. You sit lower in the seat by a few inches and it makes all the difference in the world, the G1 seats are also much more plush as is the suspension. they are also the best looking machine out there, that blue you have looks awesome. as far as engine that 650 is no slouch and has the highest HP rating per cc of any can am motor built. most my riding buds now have the 1000r and one has the 850, in a drag race the 1000r will just slightly pull on the 850 barley, in the trails i cant tell a difference between the two. With my 2011 800r and the right mods im right there with them.

 

I disagree on suspension plushness. Any of the g2s and especially the 2019+ its not very close. The g1s beat me up compared to the gen2 but I still prefer a gen1. They are just a well built machine.

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My 2020 Outty XMR 1000r MAX is just rolling on 4,000 miles running 87 octane gas with no issue. I also have a 2021 650XT that runs 87 octane and a 2012 650 XT MAX that runs 87 octane. No issues on any of my machines with 87 octane

 

87 should run fine in those. 650s not going to hurt them at all. That's what they're recommended to run on. The only difference would be your 1000 is going to detune itself a little bit to run on lower octane without pinging. So basically just meaning not going to put out Max horsepower with it.
That was my exact plan with going with 1000 or 850, and basically pointed me towards the 850 because to me why pay extra for very little features if I'm going to run lower octane fuel and lose a little bit of power which is going to put me right back into the same range as the 850. So for me, common sense said by an 850 lol

 

I have an 850 and a 1000. In my opinion there is a significant difference in power and insignificant difference in fuel economy. My King Quad 500 only uses half the fuel but the Can Am sure is a lot more fun. A few years ago, when Can Am came out with the 1000 a friend of mine traded in his 800 as soon as he could find a 1000. I asked him why he bought a 1000, he said because they didn't make a 1200.

 

I should say the only difference within the two gearbox models is gearing. The two gearboxes themselves are quite different.

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We've never had an issue with not having enough fuel with the 800, even on mountain rides of over 40-50 miles. We usually come back with a half talk left.

What great discussion and input, everyone! I appreciate your kind responses and cerebral sense of humor.

Thank you.

 

When my 2010 renegade xxc 800 was stock i rode 90 miles on a full tank before the low gas light came on. That was with the gas tank filler neck removed which allows you to get approximately a quarter of a gallon more in the tank. i thought that was pretty good range on a tank of fuel.

 

That should be "tank"--not "talk." Sorry

 

Hi, All.

Newbie here. I introduced myself yesterday elsewhere on this forum, but thought I would ask this question here.

We currently own an Outty Max 800R LTD (2011) and are thinking about getting a more recent model year in the 800 - 850 range. We've seen a number of used 1000cc machines out there that look very nice and are decently priced, but they are very big and seem to be considerably heavier.

Is the 1000 something to consider or is it too much? I know much of it depends on the owner's use and needs, so there are many factors to weigh.

We use our 800 for snow plowing, pulling a sprayer, odds and ends jobs on the farm, and for safe and sane 2-up trail riding (not extreme mudding or bogging). The power is very nice to have at one's hand when needed for the tasks mentioned above, so we don't want less than 800. My brother has a couple 570s and my cousin has a 650. While they are good machines with good power, we've gotten used to the 800 (our previous ATV was a Honda Rancher 420).

I suspect the 1000 would burn through fuel more rapidly. Not sure what higher costs would be associated with that size, but I'm sure there would be some..

Anyway, I don't know if the forum has 1000 threads/discussions already existent, but any thoughts you might have on the 1000 would be appreciated.

Thanks!

MN

Hi, sounds to me like the bigger engine/unit is the way to go for your application, plowing and such requires a bit of muscle and can get a bit rough on a machine , I always go a bit bigger than I think I need for room to grow , make sense ? Good luck !

 

My opinion is If you can afford the 1000, get the 1000. You can never have enough power. I use my outlander on the farm all day. I pull a spreader , aeriator and have a boom sprayer that works fantastic. When pulling fallen trees with the winch line the power is needed and works great. I never open the throttle full because I dont need to do 80 miles a hr. I use a moderate amount of fuel using that philosophy. Good luck on your purchase and hope you are happy with whatever you get.

 

I had ordered a new 1000 MAX and soon remembered the 1000 required premium so I changed back to the 850 (my 3rd). I buy 200 gallons of 87 several times a year and I have no desire to go back to hauling premium fuel for one machine. My sled even uses 87 (1200 GSX-SE with almost 22,000 miles).
Mike

 

Awesome Mike. Totally makes sense.

 

Thanks, everyone, for your kind words and good counsel. I'll let you know what we decide to do.
MontanaNative

 

Greetings, all!

I looked at a 2019 850 Max XT this evening that an older gentleman has for sale. Seems very clean, well-maintained, and cared for. He said he moved up from a 650 and wanted better response from the engine, so that's why he purchased the 850 and then had the ECU flashed for "cooling and engine responsiveness purposes." Not certain about that--I mean, is it common to do so? Or even a good idea?

I rode it a short distance, but it had just rained on the dirt/gravel road and he was leery of getting it dirty. So, I rode it fairly slow, popping the throttle just a few times. Didn't seem that responsive to me, at least not as much as my 800. Could fiddling with the ECU cause that? I would suspect the ECU can be reset to factory parameters by the dealer or someone with the dealer software (the proprietary name for that system escapes my memory just now).

Thoughts?

Thanks!

 

Dealer gets bent out of shape when they find a modified ECM. That 2019 850 should do you a great job. Those ECM mods are a good thing. The cooling part for sure.

 

ECM, sorry.

 

Most dealers don't have megatech Buds and can't tell that the machine has been flashed.

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Most dealers don't have megatech Buds and can't tell that the machine has been flashed.

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Are you sure about that? I haven't seen a dealer here in the great white north yet that doesn't have it. It's a basic requirement for an authorized dealer.

 

Now you're talking mechatronic licensing. Previously you said megatech. That's two different things. Megatech is a basic requirement of any dealer that services BRP products mechatronic is factory only & end user license. It's not given to dealers

 

Yep and I ment to say mechatronic in my first post.

After that I don't know anything about BUDS but I would assume the dealer wouldn't be able to see that parameters have changed with just the megatech license?

I am just going off what others have told me and I have read on forums about BUDS.

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Hey you stole my bike!
Good choice, and can't beat that Oxford blue, I fell in love with that as soon as I seen that color. It's a major selling point for me, and the exact reason why I didn't end up with a 1000r . I had such a hard time finding a 1000 Max XT in Oxford Blue, lots of 850 but no stock on the big boy in blue , unless it was already sold. But I'm not at all. Unhappy with my 850. That thing is a beast and the stability of that max frame is awesome and very noticeable on steep hills. You're going to love that beast