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Canadians getting hosed by BRP

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This article was in the Vancouver Sun and is stirring up a lot of controversy on the local board. Just wondering if any dealers out there can back this up. I bought my machine used from an American citizen. According to this article my warranty is NFG. I cant believe this crap. NAFTA anyone?


Ski-Doos no bargain for Canadian buyers
Bombardier tells U.S. dealers not to sell to Canadians


Aldo Santin, CanWest News ServicePublished:Tuesday, October 16, 2007
WINNIPEG -- A U.S. snowmobile dealer said he's been ordered by Quebec-based Bombardier Recreational Products Inc. to stop selling snow machines, ATVs and watercraft to Canadians looking to take advantage of the rising value of the loonie.

Ron Thompson, owner of Gateway Sports in Grand Forks, N.D., said over the past two weeks Bombardier -- which manufacturers the popular Ski-Doo and Sea-Doo vehicles -- ordered him to impose a surcharge to Canadians of several thousand dollars on sales, and ultimately to not make any sales at all.

"Canadians want to buy a Canadian product but I'm not allowed to sell it to them," Thompson said. "I had more than 35 calls from Canadians last week and another 10 calls this week," adding he had to turn the customers away.

Thompson said Canadians can save several thousands of dollars on the purchase of a snow machine by coming to the U.S.

The Renegade X 800 model sells for $10,000 at his shop, he said, adding it would go for $13,000 to $14,000 for shoppers 230 kilometres north in Winnipeg.

Thompson said Bombardier's standard policy had been for its dealers to impose a 7.5-per-cent surcharge on all sales to Canadians.

Then two weeks ago, Bombardier altered the surcharge fee to 7.5 per cent or $1,250, whichever is greater. Last week, Bombardier imposed a $3,000 surcharge on sales. And earlier this week, Thompson said a Bombardier representative told him not to sell to Canadians at all.

"They said it's to protect the Canadian dealers, but when the Canadian dollar (was at 70 cents) and Americans were going north to make their purchases, nobody was protecting my interests," Thompson said.

Thompson said Bombardier will void the warranty on any craft purchased by a Canadian in the United States -- even if the purchase was initially made by an American -- and it has threatened to cancel dealership arrangements with dealers who sell to Canadians.

"I'm paying $5,000 a month interest on the inventory I have but I'm not allowed to sell to Canadians who are trying to save some money," Thompson said. "It's just not right."

Bombardier spokesman Pierre Pichette said the Quebec-based firm has always assigned geographic boundaries to its dealerships and financial penalties to enforce the terms of the agreements.

Pichette said dealers are not allowed to sell to citizens of another country, adding the policy is based on market analysis and ensures that dealers cannot only sell but also service the products they sell.

Pichette said the penalty was repeatedly increased in the past two weeks to prevent American border dealers from buckling to pressure from Canadian customers.

"We've had to make adjustments (to the penalty)," Pichette said.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/business/story.html?id=2d9821b2-a563-479b-b18e-df7ff1c96188
 
#2 ·
Something has to be done regaurding the price difference....... I have heard alot of talk about this subject lately.... I would like more canadien members to give there opinion on this subject. But keep it real and inform us if the reason U would cross boarder shop is because of the price or yer local dealer is an a-hole or what ever. It is not the dealers choice to organize pricing,b ut BRP's. Also all Makes and models are having the same issue right now including automobile manufactures and the such.
 
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Yes it is a very wide-spread problem right now, but Porsche and a few othershave already dropped their prices.

I bought my machine from the States because of price. I paid $8500 for an 06' Outlander 800XT with 40 hrs on it. This machine new in Canada is damn near $15,000 after all is said and done, and then you got the 10 hr service. I realize they are trying to protect dealers like NBM but when it comes at the expense of sales whos winning?

Would BRP rather loose some money on a sale or loose the sale all together? Cause thats whats going to happen if they continue down this road. I cant believe BRP would do this to the Canadian taxpayer after all we've done for them. Shame on them!

I love my Can-Am but I wont buy my wife one if this continues.
 
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I hope BRP is reading this, it's very easy to get a US address via UPS. They will give you an actual mailing address rather than PO box for a minimal monthly charge.

This takes care of any warranty issues.......bottom line is most Canadians want to buy from Canadians BRP is making it difficult!
 
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This is a hot topic where I'm from. We only live a couple hours north of the border. There have been numerous people buying vehicles, campers, boats, atvs, snowmobiles basically whatever they can get. We own an insurance office so everyone stops in here to get insurance on their new purchase. People are telling me that they are saving between 25% and 50% on items. In Havre and Minot, there's more Canadian plates parked in front of the Walmart than American plates.

Theres a couple problems with shopping across the lines. One, is our dealers have businesses in our communites and support the local economy. If we don't support them then the doors close or better yet they tell you to eat crow when you wantservice work done. Second, why would we support theUS economy? We have everything we need here.

On the other hand it is a load of BS that there is such a descrepancy and no logic as to why we would pay that much more. Just look at the back of a Hallmark card or the cover of a magazine. Two prices one in US and one in Cnd. Guess what we pay more and our dollar is worth $1.02 over the greenback. For a couple thousand no question, I would deal local, but on a new truck saving $20,000 thats a little tougher pill to swallow. :2cent:
 
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The problem with us Canadian is that we sit and take it in the A$$ every time crap like this happens, whether it be politics or putting up a detox center in the middle of a community we just say ok let me have it. The GST was to be a temporary thing ; how many years later and we are still getting stuck with it.

We need someone with big set of kahonies to lead a rally in front of the BRP plant and demand Justus to the Canadian people.:hp:
 
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The problem with us Canadian is that we sit and take it in the A$$ every time crap like this happens, whether it be politics or putting up a detox center in the middle of a community we just say ok let me have it. The GST was to be a temporary thing ; how many years later and we are still getting stuck with it.

We need someone with big set of kahonies to lead a rally in front of the BRP plant and demand Justus to the Canadian people.:hp:



AGREE 100% if all canadians just said enough is enough then what could they really do?????? NOTHING! But is takes us all... not just a few!
 
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#9 ·
I'm pretty goods freinds with another dealer in NorthDakota. (been buying from him since the early 90's).

He was telling me a couple weeks ago that the Arcticat Rep was in and told him no more sales toCanadians. So he told then he would take a100 Quads and a 100 Sleds and he would sell every one toCanadians and then they could takethier dealrship and shove it. They asked what he meant and he told them he has had over 500 callsfrom Canadians in the last 3 days!He told them he could make more money in a month right now then in the last 15years.

We've been buying form the states for nealry 20years (closet dealership and good one too) and neverbeen deniedwarranty , Now that our dollar is good the F&*^^ manufactures are trying to squash that!
 
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The cost of BRP products in Canada is total BS, they are made here in Canada and we are paying 3-5 thousand more than the americans. I would much rather support my local dealer because they have always been good to me but when tou can drive 6-7 hours and save $3000 it is a no brainer. My wife and I are actually buying an Infiniti FX 35 south of the border and will save $15,000, we shopped around up here and the dealers still won't deal a whole bunch. The sad part is there could be a lot of hurting dealerships in awhile. 5 years ago we were getting rid of our diesel trucks after driving the for 6 months and breaking even or losing 1-2K sending them to the states and there was no contreversy over that. Sorry for the rant.:2cent:
 
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#12 ·
Sooner or later somethings gotta give... either the US prices will rise or nothing at all. Sure if nothing happens soon some people will quit buying BRP products. But they are on a roll rite now.
 
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Guillotine wrote:
I realize they are trying to protect dealers like NBM but when it comes at the expense of sales whos winning?

Would BRP rather loose some money on a sale or loose the sale all together? Cause thats whats going to happen if they continue down this road. I cant believe BRP would do this to the Canadian taxpayer after all we've done for them. Shame on them!

I love my Can-Am but I wont buy my wife one if this continues.
CanAm couldn't care less about NBM (no offense)in this situation. Their huge markup to you Canadians is what they are trying to protect. The only reason they don't mark them up like that here isbecause we would walk next door and buy another brand instead.

Re NAFTA, which should not allow what is happeningto atv salesbetween our two countries, just wait til you see mexican truck drivers wandering around your country in their beat up trucks, can't read English or French,forged insurance and driver licenses,thensell those trucks (good chance stolen)and stay there illegaly. And big business will make sure they do stay there, just like they do here. Welcome to NAFTA. :2cent:
 
#14 ·
Isee this Article has been published in many major newpapers across Canada. Apparently there is a group in Ontario filing a multimillion dollar class action suite against four major manafactures including BRP, and GM.

Wonder what BRP will do to the dealer in Grande Forks.
 
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#16 ·
Well folks,



I am canadian and proud of it......... But I am not very proud of brp right now....... I have never been one to take anything laying down. That is for sure. I am 2 hours away from the border, And I will flat out buy a quad in the states......... You just have to find a dealer that will help you out. There is still a way, And there is certainly a will..... Can am has to be selling well right now...... Lets make em even the score with the canadian and american dollar.. Us canadians are the ones taking it in the hoop and its B.S



P.S here's a link to the story about automakers getting sued, I hope BRP is next, Hey we have all been good to them, lets see them return the favor, If they don't I will be the first guy laughing when they get screwed



http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/26/automakers-to-face-2b-class-action-for-canadian-price-discrepan/

Cheers
 
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#17 ·
outlandish wrote:
This the story?

Bombardier targeted for blocking sales
[size=-1]StarPhoenix - Saskatoon,Saskatchewan,Canada
Snowmobile dealer Ron Thompson of Grand Forks, ND, detailed how Bombardier escalated its punitive measures aimed at stopping Canadians from going to the US ...[/size]
Yup, thats the latest one out. I dont think that dealer is gonna be selling BRP for much longer.
 
#18 ·
I love my outty but BRP isnt making it easy to be a supporter. Illbe buying differently next time if this dont change soon, which it looks like isnt gonna happen,even if it means a lesser ATV. $3-4 grandextra "just because" fee. See ya A$$HOLES !!!!

Bad deal for the deaers though. All because as the can. dollar was gaining,BRP didnt adjust prices accordingly cause they were sucking up huge profits.
 
#20 ·
BRP better step it up and do something about this, the only bad thing is there will be alot of peed off past Can-AM owners who paid top dollar for there machines, I paid 13k for mine and if they were to lower the price of the new ones would destroy my resale value. Like NBM said speak up BRP lets have some answers.
 
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#21 ·
Will when you guys will be on yournew 08 1000lbs (notCC) Sportsmen, kings,griz ill be blastin by all of you on my Renegade.... maybe a outtie next yr.

I hate the price, but ill stick with the best :)
 
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#22 ·
What about Yamaha, Honda etc? What are their prices in Canada compared to the US? What is the sales tax rate in Canada? What about other goods and services, what is the price difference?



Kind of sounds like collusion but that would have to involve most of the major manufacturers such as Yamaha etc.



The profit margins here on these ATV's isn't THAT great and there is probably a lot more competition so that always factors into pricing in a "free" economy LOL.
 
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#23 ·
Also all Makes and models are having the same issue right now including automobile manufactures and the such.>>>>>>>>>>



Why? I mean, sounds like you guys are talking a 25-30% difference which is freaking HUGE. Do you have a massive import tax? There has to be something that is driving this right now. The dollar is very weak, but someone said the exchange rate is almost even so that wouldn't explain it. There has to be some underlying factor causing companies to do this. Some kind of government regulation driving up the price?



WTF good is NAFTA if you can't cross the border and make a purchase with out being taxed to death? Kinda takes the FREE out of North american FREE trade agreement?
 
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It is not just BRP,it is all the manufacturers, go to the yamaha us website then the canadian and compare msrp on the atv's and rhinos, there is a huge difference. Last year we looked at an 07 Escalade in Alberta the sticker price was $94,000, drive through a dealer in the states, you will be able to buy the same vehicle for under $70,000. So how could there be 20-25k difference between Canada and USA.
 
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